April 16, 2017

Viktor Kassai to oversee Real-Bayern, Gianluca Rocchi in charge of Leicester-Atlético

Italian inflation in UEFA Champions League's Quarterfinals: With Gianluca Rocchi taking charge of Leicester City vs Atlético Madrid, UEFA has nominated the third all-Italian refereeing team to oversee a match in the Round of the last eight. Meanwhile, Hungary's Viktor Kassai has been assigned to control the return leg of Real Madrid vs Bayern München.




18 April 2017, 20:45 CET (Leicester City Stadium, Leicester)
Leicester City - Atlético Madrid
Referee: Gianluca Rocchi (ITA)
Assistant Referee: Elenito Di Liberatore (ITA)
Assistant Referee: Mauro Tonolini (ITA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Davide Massa (ITA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Fourth Official: Riccardo Di Fiore (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Bertrand Layec (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: David McDowell (SVN)

18 April 2017, 20:45 CET (Santiago Bernabeu, Madrid)
Real Madrid - Bayern München
Referee: Viktor Kassai (HUN)
Assistant Referee: György Ring (HUN)
Assistant Referee: Vencel Tóth (HUN)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Tamás Bognar (HUN)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Ádám Farkas (HUN)
Fourth Official: Peter Berettyán (HUN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jean Lemmer (LUX)
UEFA Delegate: Nils Fisketjonn (NOR)

196 Comments:

  1. That's absolutely a record for Italy...

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    1. Tagliavento for Monaco? :)

      Now I consider Kuipers for Barca-Juve and Hategan/Cakir for Monaco-BVB as most likely.

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    2. Maybe Skomina for MAN UTD-ANDERLECHT?

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    3. Really surprised to see a 3rd Italian team but, IMO, Rocchi was bound to have a big appointment.

      So, in case of a good performance, I think he is a lock for the EL final.

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  2. Predictions for Wednesday: Kuipers in Barcelona and Hațegan in Monaco.
    I think that this game for Rocchi, Leicester - Atletico, will be a very important test if he wants to handle EL final.
    I'm happy that Kassai got this very important game in Madrid.
    Still no Clattenburg. I think he wont be appointed at all in CL.

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    1. On the other hand, would UEFA let Clatts go with an elimination-relevant mistake in his last UEL game?

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    3. Even if Kuipers gets Barcelona v Juventus, will it be a big appointment for an Elite referee considering the tie is somewhat decided in the 1st leg?? 🤔

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    4. You ask that after Aytekin's Barca-PSG?

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    5. Oh yes... How did I forget that?? Collina would indeed be careful with whom he appoints to the 96,000+ capacity Camp Nou... Then I'll say the referee who gets that game surely must be trusted a lot by the committee!! But I wonder whether they'll give Kuipers such a high pressure game?? 🤔

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    6. @Soham I can see no reason why not. Kuipers had a decent season and he has shown that he is a good choise for matches like this.

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    7. I do believe the same... I was expecting him for Real Madrid v Bayern Munich but Viktor got it... Now with Çakir and Clattenburg without QFs I was just having a doubt whether Kuipers will get the nod ahead of them or not!! I would personally love to see Kuipers doing a big game and he would absolutely deserve it!! 🙂

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    8. Kuipers last time at Camp Nou
      s14.directupload.net/images/130413/z75th5pt.pdf

      I think he is the favourite for BAR-JUV, especially as it was clear Çakir was burned out by the EURO last year so maybe they save him for the Semifinal, Kuipers would suit imo

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  3. Enter your comment...clatterburg should go to camp nou then cakir to Monaco vs Dortmund, I would have like to see Michael Oliver in Genk vs celta Vigo,maybe man u vs Anderlecht should be skomina. but I think kuiper will get el appointment not UCL.

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    1. Kuipers surely deserves a QF clash in UCL this season in my opinion!!

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    2. Is a first group referee like Michael Oliver likely for an UEL QF?? Possibly not!! 🤔

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    1. UEL Quarter-final and then UCL Semi-final maybe??

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    2. For the second time in a row, Mazic will not handle Serbian Eternal Derby Red Star-Partizan which will be on Tuesday (maybe a decider for the title), most probably because he will oversee one of the EL 1/4 final matches. I expect him in very hot Istanbul - Mazic was already several times there and always did excellent job in Turkey (handled Besiktas there few years ago). For Serbian derby match Danilo Grujic, Mazic's AAR1 was nominated for the second time in his career.
      Btw, it is confirmed that Mazic will be in Confederations Cup in Russia.

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  5. Who are the referee observers for Barcelona v Juventus and Monaco v Borussia Dortmund?? 🤔

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  6. Interesting to see Ádám Farkas as aar Because he injured yesterday on Hungarian divison I. His AAR Was Tamás Bognár,he replaced Ádám Farkas.

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  7. It will be confirmed tomorrow Undiano Mallenco is appointed to a UEFA Europa league second leg match on thursday

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    1. That's definitely a surprise for me!! I didn't see that coming!! 😮

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    2. No Besiktas - Lyon (already a Spanish crew in first leg), no Genk - Celta Vigo (Spanish team involved).
      So, two options: Manchester United - Anderlecht and Schalke 04 - Ajax.
      Both are possible.

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    3. @Chefren Are the referee observers' names out for the EL Quarter-finals??

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    4. I don't know them, sorry.
      About Rocchi, the fact that he got a committee member in Monaco - Manchester City, can be enough for EL final appointment. I remember that Atkinson got this game (Dnipro - Sevilla, two seasons ago) after a CL game (Juventus - Real Madrid) with a "normal" observer.
      As for CL final, it is indeed different with the chance to get more than one committee member. This should be for sure the last exam to pass for Skomina.

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  8. Great first YC by Kassai. The incident didn't look that bad in real speed, however, replays showed that it was an absolutely correct decision.

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    1. Absolutely. Very reckless studs at the backheel, compulsory yellow card with maybe 1 orange spot on it :) Good start into the game.

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    2. And now at 48' A big orange sticker to put on that card ;)
      To me it's (48') within the bounds of Kassai's discretionary judgment, and I think that in this game it can be tolerated. But boy was it close to a 2nd YC...

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  9. Now missed corner kick for Real Madrid.

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    1. Then missed corner kick for Bayern in 37. minute (not easy to see but replay showed it). And after that for me missed YC for Casemiro for foul on Robben (stopping promising attack), and just after that missed compulsory YC again for Casemiro for foul on vidal. Can't believe missed that one.

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    2. YC was given. In the previous incident, Kassai stopped the play for the earlier foul, so Casemiro was not involved there. Please watch the game carefully, if you do so, there is no need to use these terms.

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    3. Thanks for correcting me. Didn't see that YC was given, and earlier foul you talked about - replay showed only foul on Robben and that he asked for YC.

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  10. 40' (replay in 43') - very interesting situation in the Leicester's penalty area. Careless Schmeichel's foul?

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    1. Difficult to decide. One must say that the goalkeeper touched the attacker first and played the ball second, however, contact was not that blatant and goalkeeper's intention was to play the ball. I would back AAR1 as he's responsible for this decision, in my view.

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  11. Did Kassai miss a 2nd YC for Vidal in 47' or was no card a correct decision?? 🤔

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    1. See above for my reply. In my mind can be tolerated.

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  12. Mistake for Kassai for the penalty...

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    1. I need at least another video angle. At any rate, correct decision not to issue a (second) caution.

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    2. No penalty, but great dive from Robben.

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    1. If he decided for penalty then he needed to give 2 YC to Casamiro - crucial mistske

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    2. SPA? Reckless challenge?

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    3. That wasn't reckless; and SPA that far out, with Robben not moving toward goal? (I assume they still apply 2016-17 LOTG in UCL, or else even SPA would not justify a YC under the 2017-18 Laws).

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    4. They are already applying the rule that says you book SPA in the penalty area only if it's not an attempt to play the ball.

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  14. Not easy decision the Bayern's penalty. I cant say nothing after the replays. Maybe a little fault.

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  15. Very difficult decision, even after watching replay, I'm not sure. I think both decisions are OK in this case. Surely, a situation in which it would be even difficult to apply VAR.

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    1. Look like there was a bit of contact!! But honestly it looks more play-on than penalty to me!!

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    2. I don't think Kassai would give penalty if the score was 0-1.

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    3. In comparison, Orsato's penalty call was a whole lot more clear cut than Kassai's.
      Kassai joins Proenca(WC 2010) and a long list of others who have taken the bait and have fallen for Robben's dives.

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  16. If Rocchi delays his whistle at 1-1 goal in Leicester (potential handball while blocking a shot), it's a great 'decision'.

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    1. Was the player booked? I think that in case of delayed whistled and then advantage once the goal was scored, YC had to be shown at the next stoppage.

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    2. Only in case of denying goal or obvious goal scoring opportunity, but it was 'only' a shot on target, not sure goal.

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    3. I agree. Regular handball can be regarded as a deflection into the net. It is an advantage. Denying goal opportunity by hand is more or less unsporting behavior if the goal is recorded. Red card does not apply because the action does not deny the goal.

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  17. 2nd yellow card missed for Casemiro...

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  18. Casemiro's missed 2nd YC at 80th minute...

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    2. No 2nd YCs in UEFA! What a surprise. ;)

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    3. Casemiro is one happy man tonight...

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    4. More no 2nd YC for Real

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    5. But Vidal isn't...

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  19. It seems like Kassai was about to issue the second YC, as live it looked like his hand went to his pocket.

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    1. Indeed; either he changed his mind or he heard something from his 4th official/AR.

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    2. The same 4th Official who stayed silent and allowed his partner to erroneously send off a player on a clean tackle?

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    3. When you assume, you make an ass of 'u' and 'me'. Honestly, if my 4th official got in his mind to overrule me when I have taken a decision (except for obvious blunders, mistaken identity, etc.), I would not want to work again. Once Kassai has taken the decision without hesitation while being clearly positioned and without asking for advice, the 4th official has no business intervening.

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    4. Why would you not want to employ teamwork amongst your crew to ensure that you're going to get such a match changing decision correct? After all, isn't it about getting it right? If not, then what's the point of having 6 sets of eyeballs on the pitch? If all those eyeballs are not going to work together as a single unit.

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    5. Because the 4th official has no idea what the referee sees from his angle. So if the referee is certain he has seen something from his position, the 4th official has nothing relevant to tell him. He can say 'I didn't see anything' but that doesn't mean there wasn't anything for the referee to see. The referee has final authority. If he needs advice on making a decision where he is involved, he asks for it. If he makes a decision on his own, the others follow. And if it's a matter of interpretation (as in the case of whether to give Vidal a card), it's the referee who decides in case of disagreement.

      Dutch referee blog ran an interview with Kuipers before the EURO where he said exactly that. ARs (and other supporting referees) must learn when to jump in and when to stay out. And this was clearly a 'stay out of it' situation. Or what? You'll see Kassai put the hand to his pocket and as 4th official desperately scream "NOOOOOO" into the headset? Run on the field? Wait until he's given the card and tell him "well in my mind it wasn't a foul"? No. If you disagree you discuss it around a pint after the game. The referee has already enough to do to start debating clear decisions over the headset, especially when he has all the info he needs.

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  20. Unbelievable mistakes from Kassai. Wrong 2nd YC to Vidal.

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  21. Let me say that it is ridiculous how Kassai is managing cards. There's no way Vidal's is even a foul, how can it be 2nd YC?

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    1. He forgives Casemiro for TWO times, and now second YC for Vidal... Unbelievable. This kind of mistakes are really big and could decide this duel.

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    2. I really don't understand how one can give that RC after those missed before

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    3. Another referee who won't be getting a CL final I think we can say now!! Very, very poor decision to send off Vidal and also poor not to send off Casemiro... Vidal can feel very hard done by, he clearly reached the ball and that was hardly a foul let alone a sending off!! Crucial mistakes by Kassai and Bayern Munich can feel really hard done by!!

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    4. Kassai already got CL final :)

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    5. Spanish TV broadcast says that maybe, Vidal's sending off was for persistent infringement. However, it that is true, Casemiro should have already been sent off for that reason, so, all in all, a bad performance by Kassai tonight.

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    6. @Chefren Sorry 😛 I meant to write CL Semi-final but in excitement missed the semi!!

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  22. A cleanly won tackle results in a foul, second caution, and an ejection? Other than holding up an oversized substitute board and pestering the coaches. Why didn't Kassai's 4th Official go above and beyond and bail out his partner?

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    1. If anyone was wondering if your analysis was popularistic...

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  23. One lucky point for Kassai is the mistakes re not in favor of one side.

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    1. Casemiro not sent off and Vidal sent off enough to make Bayern feel aggrieved... This should be the last of Kassai we see in Europe this season!!

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  24. Atletico Madrid eliminates Leicester 2-1 on aggregate. Eriksson's erroneous decision to award Atletico a penalty is reflected I the final aggregate difference.

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    1. Even if you are sure about the crucial mistake by Eriksson (there isn't in my opinion a clear evidence), you can't say that. Atlético played knowing that 1-1 was enough for qualification and even a 2-1 loss, in case.
      So, to say it in other words, in case of different outcome in first leg, the same would have happened for second leg, with teams playing a different game, based on what they had already achieved.

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    2. Anyway using your flawed logic still Atletico win on away goals :-)

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    3. The result from the 1st leg totally influences how a coach and a team set up tactically for the 2nd leg. So yeah, a 0-0 coming home is world's different than coming home down 1-0.

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    4. And taking it one step further, which is always true: had he awarded a free-kick unstead of the penalty-kick, all the movements afterwards should have been different from those we have watched, and no-one could have predicted the outcome and the final result of the first leg encounter. Having blablad that, the simple conclusion is very simple: we should always remember that any decision by anyone on the pitch different from the one made in reality, would have altered everything, which means any speculation involving ifs is futile.

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  25. Correct decision for No penalty call.

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  26. Very good call for R7 offside.

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  28. Offside goal.... Oh my god...

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  29. Offside goal from Ronaldo, what a mistake from AR1...

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  30. Tragedy! Clear offside! Hungarian team destroyed Bayern tonight.

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    1. I wouldn't like to be a Bayern fan tonight...

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    2. It is truly a sickening feeling. This is a grossly unjust situation. A situation where there can't possibly be any words to justify this level of negligence.

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  31. Real Madrid by Referee decision. I am a Real Madrid fan...

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    1. I would say this is knockout. This reminds me about Kassai's horror match in Munchen several years ago (2013), when he made numerous mistakes in favor of Bayern destroying Barca 4-0. He suffered a lot after that match, and i am afraid that he will suffer for his and his ARs very important mistakes. Thank to them Real is probably in semifinal. And 4th goal is maybe offside as well.

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    2. For every great matches of Kassai or so, he has really struggled in some BAY-BAR, LEV-ROM especially and some other ones in a smaller way. Sad for a great referee but I think he changed the way UEFA push their referees honestly.

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  32. Could not become worse for Kassai - and Bayern

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  33. Such a massive and intriguing match did not deserve a referee crew who have become the main protagonists and whose decisions have directly influenced the outcome of the match. I feel bad for teams, both sets of fans, and that's about it.

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  34. Very difficult evening for the Hungarian team. With all respect, but this should be the end of Kassai's season. The controversial penalty (no mistake of course), the missed 2nd YC for Casemiro, the wrong 2nd YC for Vidal, the offside goal...
    Very difficult decisions from him and unfortunately a few important ones wrong taken...
    I hope he will recover and I wish him all the best in his next matches!

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  35. It's very sad to see how the match is ending. It was such a beautiful match, completely ruined by two absurd mistakes (at least, I've some doubts also about the third goal). Once again, after Roma-Real Madrid last year, the Spanish team is helped by evident errors Hope VAR is going to be
    Introduced as soon as possible in order to have regular matches.

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    1. You are right. I am also quite sad because it was so an exciting match and it is always a pity when they are decided by wrong referee decisions...
      But that's part of this sport and I think mistakes will always happen, also with VAR.

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    2. Another exapmles where another spanish team goes through is Barcelona vs PSG or Chelsea vs Barcelona . ;)

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  36. Perhaps it is trivial, but let me say how much VAR would have helped this evening...

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    1. Always if Kassai had been able to do better than in Japan 😅

      Just kididng, of course

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  37. 3-2 Also offside, AR2 complete out of position pic.twitter.com/p6nHX3LdyP

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  38. 3-2 was offside too. Very close but it was. AR2 about 3m behind the offside line, without any chance to evaluate due his positioning. Should not be on that level.

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  39. Isn't Ronaldo third goal offside too ? :/
    https://twitter.com/bl00dix/status/854440745230643200
    When Spain big clubs play at home, seems refs have some difficulties to be good...

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  40. The penalty incident from Leicester - Atlético:
    https://streamable.com/zjc2n

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    1. Penalty AAR2 should have warned...

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    2. It was AAR1's side (cameras from opposite angle than benches).
      I agree: penalty should have been whistled, without card (careless).

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  41. For sure Team Kassai took some very unlucky and simply wrong decisions that influenced the course of events and match result. Apart from that, Kassai actually made a very sovereign impression. My views in short:

    - Incorrect penalty as I think Robben definitely dived (perfect case of simulation)
    - correct or at least in line with UEFA guidelines not to send off Casemiro for the foul/SPA in the penalty
    - Soft and actually incorrect 2nd Yellow Card for a clearly careless foul by Vidal (yes, maybe he was warned earlier, but this cannot be enough in such a game)
    - correct to waive away Casemiro's penalty appeal
    - 2:2 offside, not supportable at all even though on the field maybe not as easy as the freezed frame suggests
    - 3:2 tight offside, AR2 out of line because he did not expect Marcelo breaking through - he had to accelerate very quickly, a more understandable error

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    1. Ehm... how can you say APART FROM THAT he made a sovereign impression?!? He didn't give a 2nd yellow to Casemiro that should have been sent off twice, he gave RC to Vidal for something that is not even foul, two goals for RM were in offside, one for BM as well. Yeah, APART FROM DESTROYING THE MATCH, he made a sovereign performance...

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    2. You are missing the missed 2nd YC for Casemiro. Specially, the fact that he moved his hand to his pocket and then, after seeing who was the involved player, moved it away again. That is not a sovereign impression. It is, for me, a very poor one. Maybe he received input, but he had to see it very clearly if the movement was so fast.

      The penalty was correct: http://e00-marca.uecdn.es/assets/multimedia/imagenes/2017/04/18/14925454821187.jpg there is a stomp on Robben. The only good major decision he made this evening, I think.

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    3. You see Vidal's tackle as "a clearly careless foul"?

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    4. Well, not the only one: the rejected penalty appeal by Casemiro's was correct too. But maybe he should have been cautioned for simulation (there was absolutely no reason for him to fall, IIRC) and thus sent off, so...

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    5. Indeed - some of the comments here give the impression Kassai whistled at random.
      I am prepared to support him on the penalty, until I see a replay from another angle.
      On card management: people howl about Casemiro but forget Vidal at 48'. Vidal could have gotten ejected there too - Kassai was lenient there, and I believe he tried to be lenient on Casemiro too, as they were by and large isolated incidents in an otherwise calm match (without any excessive reckless/violent tackles). With that in mind, yes, Vidal's sending off is very harsh, and incorrect. It is a foul (seriously, people?), but either Kassai decided to punish Vidal for persistent infringement (which would be very odd, especially given the character of the match), or he overestimated the degree of force and risk. Mistake? Yes.

      So, one mistake (crucial?) for Kassai, in an otherwise solid match.
      As for the offside, they speak for themselves, and to me the 2-2 was detectable and ought to have been detected by the AR.

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    6. Jeez, I feel I'm at the local pub watching a League One game on local TV. Some of the comments...

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    7. @ Marco Neri: Indeed, from 120 minutes 115 were very sovereign. He failed in most crucial moments, that's right, even though I presume not all situations were totally clear (as Emil's comment underlines). Don't get me wrong - 115 good minutes make nothing much better.

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    8. You also see the tackle for which Vidal was sent off for as a foul? The ball don't lie Emil.

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    9. He first hits the ball and then tackles him with the trailing leg. Clearly careless, nothing more, nothing less...

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    10. I ask this. What will Kassai be judged on? The fact that he had an okay 115 minutes or that he and his AR's erred on the match changing situations.

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    12. By UEFA and those who know refereeing? On his whole performance. Duh.
      UEFA will back him on the penalty, and probably on card management, and debrief him to ask "why" he gave Vidal a second yellow. They'll acknowledge the mistake and move on. Kassai still showed a solid performance (his team less so).

      And yes, Vidal's tackle is obviously a foul. A player has no business raising his foot like that when tackling to trip up a player. On a clean tackle the foot stays on the ground. So a clear foul.

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    13. @Emil and @Niclas Do you think Kassai can get an EL or CL semi-final this season or is it over for him this European season?? 🤔

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    14. Its definitely over in CL or EL for him this season in my opinion.

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    15. "his team less so" You're a team on the pitch. You succeed as a team and you fail as a team. You are only as strong as your weakest link. So if one fails, you all fail.

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    16. Bayern goal also offside.

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  42. On a more positive note, Rocchi was a very sovereign and accepted performance in a match without challenges in Leicester. Not much for Layec to observe, and he has a great chance for EL Final now I think, better to watch Mažić on Thursday honestly.

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  43. I think that Hungarian crew would receive the lowest mark (speaking about whole team) in history of CL elimination phase, maybe even in whole CL! At least two, probably more (penalty???) crucial mistakes from Kassai, and one crucial no-offside decision from each AR. You know, when result is 3-0 and ref give penalty or RC and makes a mistake - it is crucial, but not decisive. All Kassai's and his ARs mistakes were CRUCIAL in every single letter of the word, and helped Real to win this match. For a long time I haven't seen such a bad performance in this level of competition (well Eriksson's no penalty decisions for handballs in last EL final is close to this).

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    1. These were 4-5 decisions and unfortunately in the majority they had bad luck or took the wrong ones. Shit happens, but this does not mean it is the worst performance ever. I guess Kassai has to get 7.4, both ARs probably 7.9.

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    2. Agreed, Kassai was pretty pitiful tonight. But not on the Aytekin or Hennig Ovrebo level.

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    3. Yes, Niclas, and I wanted to say that. In how many matches in THIS LEVEL of competition all refs made at least one crucial mistake? So, we have ARs with 7.9 and Kassai with 7.4 the most. I can't remember that it happened that average mark of the whole crew (not counting AARs) is somewhere about 7.6-7.7. It is not worst performance ever, for sure.
      @fudbaler You can remember the match where whole team made crucial mistakes? Remind me.

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    4. What does this show? At least the offside goals could have been prevented by VARs. Human mistakes will always happen, even if they should not happen at such a level, you can argue. And don't worry, we observed UCL/UEL matches for several years, there were many reports with more than 2 or 3 crucial mistakes ;)

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    5. 7.4 only if you accept the penalty as unambiguously incorrect. I'd go with 7.9 (8.5) for Kassai; his AR goal-side in ET2 must of course get 7.4.
      As for the first Bayern goal, to be cheeky: did Lewandowski intervene in play (in the sense of Law 11)? Does he "clearly" attempt to play the ball or challenge the defender for the ball? My sense is he probably did, but then I've always been very conservative on the recent Law 11 changes.

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    6. Oh, I know, I read many of them. But I can't recall any of them where at least one of three refs didn't get 8 or more. Those were my thoughts. Also, not every crucial mistake has the same significance - tonight almost all mistakes were very significant.
      I put my both hands in the air for technology in football - that wouldn't eliminate mistakes, but will diminish them.

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    7. To Jelena, my first report for this website was a Barça-ManCity UCL quarterfinal where Stéphane Lannoy (in what would be his last European match) received a 6.9 for 4 unambiguous crucial mistakes.

      So chill out.

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    8. TBH, I think there were more mistakes. Vidal should have been sent off at 48' (missed 2nd YC, so first mistake). Casemiro should have been sent off too (2nd mistake, can't remember the minute). Vidal should not have been sent off at 83' (3rd mistake). For me, the penalty was a good decision (1st correct) and the rejected appeal was correct also. So it is 3 wrong decisions over 5.

      I have not seen also a spectacular game management, clear line with the cards nor other reasons to say that it was a particularly impressive performance if we turn our eyes blind to the mistakes. I won't say a mark because I do not exactly now how it works below 7.8/7.9, but for me it should surely be below that line.

      I want to make it clear: it is an opinion, based on what I have seen and what I remember at the moment, without any other replays that those shown live on TV. If someone disagrees, then it is always interesting to exchange points of view :)

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    9. IMO the Vidal and Casemiro non-2ndYC can both be defended as part of match management. No point in re-refereeing the match. Objectively, both decisions are defendable.

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    10. Maybe my English is not the best (and it isn't), but guys I think that you could understand what I wanted to say: I am speaking about TEAM performance, and not the performance of the single referee! Of course that there were matches where referee made 4-5 crucial mistakes, and matches where one of ARs made 2-3 crucial offside mistakes, but tonight Kassai and both his ARs made crucial mistakes, which is very strange, again FOR THIS LEVEL OF COMPETITON ad if you want quality of the refereeing teams.

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  44. Bayerns first goal was offside and Ronaldo's two goals were both offside. Unlucky.

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  45. I think we can now be sure that Çakir, Mazic and Brych are certainties for CL Semi-final and the 4th appointment might go to Kuipers depending on his display tomorrow at Camp Nou otherwise it will be Marciniak!! I think it's safe to say that Rizzoli, Eriksson and Kassai are pretty much out of the race now!!

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    1. Wait to see Kuipers tomorrow and Mazic on Thursday... And Skomina, of course (in that match i expect beautiful football from two attacking teams, and I don't think that Skomina would have tough job, but who knows). Many things can happen in those three matches.
      Maybe you won't agree with me, but I have to say that almost all refs in CL 1/4 finals so far were beyond expectations. Personally, I am not satisfied at all.

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    2. Beyond expectations=much better than expected ;)
      I think you mean "below expectations".

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    3. Below, of course. Thanks :-)

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    4. Yes more or less I do agree... Rizzoli and Eriksson were not great and Kassai was really poor!! Marciniak, Rocchi and Orsato were decent though!!

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  46. Check this video starting from 0:11 and at 0,25 speed

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34a7w53tW44

    Careless foul. Two questions to those who watched the game: was it SPA?, was Vidal's play in this game close to persistent infringing the LoTG?

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  47. Well, yes I am Not objective when it is Bayern - I support them . I am just sad about a referee destroying a great night with 3 offside goals - even 1:1Ramos there was an offside Position before but very hard to See. ... with one wrong and one missed 2nd YC. For me there cannot be a better proof for the the beginning of video assistance referee as soon as possible.

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    1. Another mistake by AR, Offside call on Lewandowski when he was all alone and in a position to score.

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  48. Terrible match by Kasai. On this level it shouldnt happened. I'm also Bayern fan and I'm disgusting after this show.

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  49. Finally, for all those who can't conceive that Kassai did anything good in this game: that was a beautiful advantage immediately prior to Ronaldo's first goal.

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  50. Again I see it everywhere, also in the comment section on this blog: after games including many talking points, many people, also referees, tend to blame officials for making calls in some kind of 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situations. The same behaviour could have been observed after Aytekin's performance in Barcelona - PSG. Not every situation is black and white, the wrong calls in black-and-white situations are real minority. A bit more empathy in such comments would be nice. Emil, thanks for that empathy in your comments.

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    1. Thanks Ray. You describe my feelings specially after the Aytekin night. This time we decided to delete some comments that were completely insultive or out of place, but on the other hand, we should also bear opposed opinions that try to crucify Aytekin - and now Kassai.

      In terms of Robben's penalty - here the problem I see is that if there is no contact, it cannot be a penalty. There are tackles where even no contact would be enough to deem it as a foul as the tackle was maybe too dangerous, the attacker had to avoid being fouled by jumping or whatever. Here, I rather believe it is either simulation or a penalty. And as I did not find any contact until now, I see it, unfortunately, as a black or white mistake.

      The Vidal tackle is probably more grey: However, I would be surprised if for UEFA this would be no mistake.

      As for all other situations: I see many arguments in favour and against the referee's choice. The offside goals are of course black-and-white, but as stressed above, it was not easy for AR2, it was almost impossible to be properly positioned...

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    2. But wasn't Robben stepped on his toes by Casemiro? His fall is unnatural, I agree, but...

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    3. I believe George posted a screenshot showing the stepping on the toes above. However, Robben is already falling, so...

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    4. LOTG 16/17, page 161:
      "Deceive = Act to mislead/trick the referee into giving an incorrect decision/disicplinary sanction which benefits the deceiver and/or their team"

      Don't forget: It has NOT to be contactless to be a simulation. A player who is using a light contact to fool the referee should be cautioned as well.

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    5. In the screenshot I posted (an image from MARCA, I must say), Robben is not falling yet. That can be seen with Ray's video. For me it is a penalty. I also think there is no room for simulation: there is a clear contact which is very likely to cause a fall when running. Robben doesn't make it look more than it is, IMO. So I think this was a good decision by Kassai.

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  51. Well,from what I can see in today's world refs need to be robots so they wont make any mistakes and people will then be satisfied(or even then will not).

    Kassai was not good tonight,but he is human and he can make mistakes,just like Ovrebo, Aytekin,or Rizzoli,or Erikkson or like others have made.

    He won't be getting any CL or EL matches for the rest of this season,but please,you are blaming him like he killed someone.

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  52. All Vidal's and Casemiro's fouls from this game (I hope the video won't be deleted)

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5isj3f

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    1. IMO, the clue is that Casemiro's foul in 80' was long after the foul for a penalty in 51' and Vidal's foul in 84' was just after the SPA-like foul in 82', so it's fully understandable that Kassai classified it as persistent infringement.

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    2. Vidal vs Casemiro compilation
      1st half: https://streamable.com/bv6i0
      2nd half: https://streamable.com/sd2aq

      As I said, the key moment is Vidal's foul in 82nd minute.

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    3. If you're going with the "persistent infringement" theory. Shouldn't there actually be a foul in the 84th minute first place? Out of the multiple fouls that Vidal and Casemiro committed. Kassai decides to whistle a foul and show a second booking on a clean tackle?

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    4. Some thoughts:
      - First foul in 40': SPA by Sergio Ramos? (Kassai did not judge Casemiro's tackle!)
      - Casemiro's foul in 40' reckless and Vidal's foul in 48' careless? Where is the difference?
      - 51' stopping the picture at the moment of the tackle, it isn't the stop of a promising attack according to my opinion.
      - 80' again: Where is the difference between the caution in 40' (YC) and this one (no YC)?
      - 84' Really a foul? If yes, then careless. Again: Uniform with the decisions in 48' and 80' (no YC)?

      Summary: I cannot find an uniform line in what is still careless and what is already reckless. I fear, at least the 2nd YC in 84' has to be judged as a crucial mistake. The decisions in 48' and 80' are controversial but with some goodwill still acceptable.

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    5. This is the trend to avoid 2nd YC if possible. Kassai gave Vidal (48') and Casemiro (80') the last chance. I believe the 2nd YC for Vidal is for persistent infringing the LoTG, what is OK if Kassai whistles a foul and taking into account that Vidal fouled an opponent in tactical manner two minutes before (82').

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    6. If he whistled it for persistent infringement, the UEFA report should say so. But it doesn't. Vidal was officially sent off for a tackle and not PI.

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  53. Bayern's penalty (fully correct, IMO)

    https://streamable.com/1ap90

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  54. Assistants' calls:

    https://streamable.com/7qdn2

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    1. Your view on the own goal? In my view, Lewandowski did not challenge Ramos and co. for the ball in sense of the law, for me he stayed 'passive'.

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    2. In my opinion offside but definitely impossible to detect for AR. Lewandowski tries to play the ball in this moment:
      https://s27.postimg.org/qlwm5d3zn/image.jpg
      You can see his leg moving and he is looking at the ball. He doesn't manage in doing that, but surely he challenges the opponent for the ball.
      AR had to see and understand all these details in a while. Too much difficult. I think he can be backed.

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    3. Agree with Chefren, the attacker in a very tight offside position influenced the opponent, so it was an offside offence. The AR should not be blamed but backed as the recommendation is that if not sure about such tight decision the flag should stay down.
      At this level of refereeing there should be some short but clear verbal communication between the referee and the AR about who played the ball last, if the attacker in an offside position influenced the opponent, etc and I sincerely hope it took place.

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    4. For me definitely an offside position. Niclas, when we talk about "interfering an opponent" if not here when he's clearly trying to play the ball, the defender has to play the ball to prevent the attacker can play and they all are positioned nearly beside? Please watch Chefren's picture - this is a parade example for "interfering an opponent", at least according to my opinion. So close to play the ball, forcing the defender to play the ball.

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    5. Completely right, I was too quick with my judgment. Absolutely a punishable interference.

      I think we have reached the maximum number of comments now. Discussion can continue in a separate post later. Please stay patient, we will try to reduce or find another place for comments that are a bit off-topic.

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    6. Oh, three big mistakes from AR1 (wrong call in 66. minute, Lewa was onside). But we have to be fair and I believe we can not blame him for Offside prior Ramos' own goal. It was very difficult to see that Lewa was offside in that occasion. The interference is punishable, no doubt, but I believe that he didn't see that he was in front of the ball.

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  55. Real Madrid's penalty appeal (Casemiro)

    https://streamable.com/f3aq2

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    1. Clear simulation for me. YC was needed. In fact, to be realistic, casemiro deserved at least 3 YCs last night.

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  56. I always enjoyed reading this blog and then commenting because finally it looked there was a fair and objective analysis of referees, especially the comments even tonight from some people have been on a high level and my respect for that. But some of the comments tonight and on Aytekin are way too far and obviously popularistic, don't be fooled into categorising everything into black / white, there is a (large) middle ground. And those calling it disgusting and saying Kassai should NEVER referee at CL, I'm sorry even the television commentators are fairer than that. Comparing Kassai tonight to Øvrebo (CHE-BAR) is nonsense.
    And again big respect to the few of you that can have an informed discussion about it, you really make this blog still a pleasure!

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    1. I share your thoughts... In my opinion, Kassai had a poor game yesterday and for that his season should end here - nothing more and nothing less... To say that he should never referee a CL match again is completely unwarranted and over the top... Not a great performance by Kassai in Madrid but it wasn't as bad as it has been made to look like at times!!

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  57. The truth of the matter is that people with their comments or in certain cases lack of comments. Clearly show their fandom and loyalty for their favorite referee or referee's. I've noticed a trend where two referees can commit a similar mistake and one will be crucified while the other will be given benefit of the doubt. It is what it is. People like to root for and defend their favorites and that's not going to change. But in order to improve and move forward, one must first accept that errors were made. He may be from a different sport. But the referee who I have the utmost respect for is actually a baseball umpire Jim Joyce. He committed a highly publicised mistake that cost a pitcher a perfect game. Yet he swallowed his pride and showed humility by publicly stating that he had blown the call. Him doing that earned him a massive amount of respect. Sadly that level of transparency and humility is lacking in world football.

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    1. You are really tending to bore me, and I am sure I am not the only one. I have a natural objection to people who know the truth - it is a facet typical of populists.

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    2. Liars are better than bullshitters because liars at least have respect for the truth..

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    3. @Nando None of us here ever denied the fact that Kassai and his team made some crucial errors... But the way you've been kind of asking for Kassai's head since yesterday is totally unwarranted and over the top!!

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  58. Meh, the opinions of two "cheerleaders" fall on deaf ears. If only this blog had more critics and analysts than cheerleaders and fan boys. But this is the culture that you allow, condone, and partake in. Cheers!

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    1. The word I would rather use is 'pundits'. This blog needs more critical observers (as in, people who observe critically, not people who criticise) and fewer pundits. And sadly, to me you fall in the latter category.

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    2. Although I often believed your admittedly provoking comments had an added value, last night showed you are a troll and nothing else. Cheers.

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  59. Vidal's foul in slo-mo:

    https://gfycat.com/DependentSilkyGrasshopper#?speed=0.25

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    1. Both had their eyes on the ball. Both start their attempt to play the ball in the same moment. Vidal maybe even a bit earlier having a slighly worse position. Its for me no foul. The 4th official has to be blamed too (maybe a bit distracted by the upcoming changes).

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    2. Why blame the 4th official? In what world would the 4th official overrule the referee when he has made a decision? (see my comments above for more details)

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    3. Has Kassai not consulted him before issuing the YC despite his bad position and his probably blocked view?

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  60. My marks would be 7.3/7.3/7.9/8.2/8.4/8.4.

    For the German speaking here, this is a good summarazing article: http://www.n-tv.de/sport/fussball/collinas_erben/Nicht-nur-Real-profitierte-von-Kassais-Fehlern-article19799255.html

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  61. I'm quite saddened because I believe Kassai is one of the best referees there is (his chances for the WC next year sadly decreased a lot). I also believe that Aytekin is probably one of the best referees in Europe. Ironically both apply a similar style. Both had incredible difficult tasks which they mastered really well for 70 minutes (Aytekin) or 30-45 minutes (Kassai). Still, they made more than one crucial mistake and lost the control of their games. Kassai maybe even more than Aytekin.

    The referee committee has to evaluate the situation. Were these appointments justified? Aytekin in a still big clash with a lot of potential influencing of the referee despite never refereeing a CL QF? Kassai having the top QF return leg despite an injury in the winter?

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  62. They never came close to losing control. The only thing is that the media makes it so big.

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    1. Indeed. Both games - Barca-PSG and Real-Bayern - were under full control. When referees are taking many crucial decisions that might be controversial in the aftermath, it does not automatically mean they have lost control. Kassai's authority was absolutely given.

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